Race Result / Camp Manatoc September 19, 2015

Lots of people came out for this event! We had lots of Scouts (both boys, girls, and Venture Scouts) attend, as well as club regulars. Here are the race results from the various courses, and as always, check this link for more detailed split data.

Here’s the report from the event organizer, Ivan Redinger:

September 19, 2015

Fifteen units of Cub Scouts, Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, and Venture Crew members gathered at the Manatoc Scout Reservation on September 19th to spend the day orienteering. Many started their day receiving instructions from NEOOC members Howard Montgomery, Andreas Johansson, Ken Lappin, and Dave Dysle.

Multiple courses for scouts of all skill levels had been designed and set by Tim Feaser and Steve Wells. Registration of nearly 150 scouts, and additional public participants, was deftly handled by Registrar KathyJo Rufener and Starter/Timer Rob Donaldson.

With the weather holding steady, scouts attacked courses all morning, and into the early afternoon. Around 3 p.m., as the courses emptied, control collectors hit the trails, including Fred Mailey, Ken, Howard, Tim, and several participating units. Mother Nature then let go with a deluge that left those volunteers soaked to the bone. Those brave enough to venture out in the torrent to attend the skull session to review the maps and strategies employed earlier in the day, were rewarded with a smorgasbord of delicious pies.

After dinner, the orienteers again gathered for a short score course Night-O, designed and set by Bob Boltz. Just before dusk, Registrar Phil Wadsworth had everyone signed in, so Starter Mark Stypczynski could get the zealous crowd off to a mass start. Timer Ken Lappin awaited them at the finish line.

September 20, 2015

Representatives from 8 units participated in the competitive Championship courses laid out by Course Designer Steve Hendrix. Steve and his crew had done late night duty getting the courses ready for Sunday. His crew of setters included Greg Hendrix, Curtis Hendrix, and volunteer scouts from Troop 504.

Fred Mailey, switching hats once again, served as Registrar, while Steve Hendrix distributed maps to the participants just minutes before they headed over to Starter Ken Lappin. Timer Steve Marsh recorded their returns and tallied the results.

Units used team points accumulated over all three events to bid on useful and fun personal and troop gear. The event patches, and the award plaques for the placers, were designed by Hazel Barton.

2015 badge - submitted draft

It’s not too early to mark your 2016 calendar for Sept. 17 & 18, the next NOSOC weekend, when we’ll all gather again at the Manatoc Scout Reservation to see who can discover fun off the beaten path.

All this, in PDF: NOSOC 2015 EVENT REPORT

Race Results

Race Results from Scout Events: Sunday & Unit Results

White Course - Scouts
  1 GS60544/StephenJohnson                    24
  2 T289/DeadMoose-Rocco,Adrian,Will          41
  3 T122/FlamingArrows                        53
  4 T122/UnknownFlyingSquirrels               56
  5 T330/Wynners-Mike,Jason,Steven            57
  6 P3506                                     64
  7 P11/GooGoo-Spencer,Ryan,John              67
  8 T289/FallingCats-James,Sean,Devin         70
  9 P3451/Bear-Asa,Thomas,Ethan               73
 10 T35/Pirates                               79
 11 T558/GreaseLightning-Ricky,Thomas         88
 12 T558/Adventurers                          90
 13 P11/ChickenWingGuac-Thomas,Mason,Jack     93
 14 T558/Outdoor Chedder                      94
 15 P3451/BLE-Ethan,Liam                      96
 16 P11/DynamicDolphins-Evon,Will,Andrew      97
 17 T35/GrisleySlash-Dominic,Miles            113
 18 GS60544/Boliva                            114
    T558/OutdoorAdventurer/Chedder-Max,Nathan DNF
    P11/DaChzSticks                           DNF

White Course - non-Scouts
  1 Scott Gill                                53
  2 Frazee                                    68
  3 Gil Even                                  77

Yellow Course - Scouts: 10 controls 3.3 km 100 m
  1 T289/Dead Moose-Rocco&Adrian&Will      60:03
  2 T122/UnknownFlyingSquirrels            72:49
  3 T330/Wynners-Mike&Jason&Steven         77:53
  4 T289/Falling Cats-James&Sean&Devin     79:05
  5 GS90233/S & S                          83
  6 P3451/Bears-Zach,Robert                88:11
  7 GS90233/Anna                           95
  8 GS90233/JNE                            95
  9 P3451/Bears/TeamLodi-Nathan&Ben        103:43
 10 T454-Matt&Jack                         110:19
 11 T35/Grisley Slash-Dominic Miles        112:27
 12 GS884/Erin et al.                      122:09
 13 T4008/OldGeezers-Ken,John,Ron          128
 14 GS90233/GBAL-Annika,Grace              160
 15 GS90054/Faith et al.                   175:14
 16 GS60544/Boliva                         201:33
 17 T558/Adventurers                       203
 18 T4008/Batmen-JJ,Casey,Winston          213
    T35/Pirates-Gary&Peter&Max             DNF
    T122/Flaming Arrows                    DNF
    T558/Outdoor Chedder                   DNF
    VC2335                                 DNF

Yellow Course - non-Scouts: 10 controls 3.3 km 100 m
 1 Robert Kish                             120
 2 Pat&Noah&Lilly                          143:38
Orange Course - Scouts: 10 controls 3.8 km 100 m
 1 GS60544/Stephen Johnson         62:43
 2 T289/Old Tarts-Chuck&Steve      190:22

Orange Course - non-Scouts: 10 controls 3.8 km 100 m
  1 Ryan Roppel                    90:24
  2 Howard Montgomery          NEO 91:36
  3 Kai Getrost                    97:30
  4 Jeff Perry                 NEO 134:20
    Dominic Conte                  DNF

Green Course: 10 controls 5.1 km 100 m
  1 Zuzana Kiacova                 75:03
  2 Charlotte Chung            NEO 139:10
  3 Randy Mitchell             NEO 143:46
  4 Eric Marotta               NEO 145:27
  5 Lois Wiesbrook                 203:45
    Andreas Johansson          NEO DNF
    Fred Mailey                NEO DNF
    GS60544/Stephen Johnson        DNF
    Neil Dolinger              NEO DNF
    David Farrier                  DNF

Red Course: 12 controls 6.3 km 100 m
  1 Todd Pownell               NEO 88:06
  2 Bob Boltz                  NEO 90:13
    T4008/DuctTape-Riley&Seth&Ryan DNF

Detailed Split Data

RouteGadget / GPS Tracks

If you ran with a GPS watch, or other tracking device, feel free to add your track to the RouteGadget site for NEOOC. Find it here, or through the menu above under Events > NEOOC RouteGadget

Picture Albums

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Feedback Requested / Route Choices

From on of our course designers – Tim Feaser would like some feedback on his route choices as designed for the Manatoc event. Here’s his question:

When I attended a training session on course design it was encouraged that each leg be reviewed individually to see if there would be more than one realistic route option.

On the Saturday Manatoc red course I designed a long leg between 5 and 6 where the participant would have to commit to the north or south side of the lake. I attempted to select 2 controls that made either route a choice. Unfortunately not many people ran the red course so did not get much feedback if the design was successful. If you have a few moments could you comment whether you would choose the north or south route and maybe where you think control #6 could be placed to make it a 50-50 proposition.

The Map


Leave your feedback in the comments below. What do you think? Was there an alternative placement for #6 that would have made sense to accomplish the route choice?

Scout Championships 2015 Results (Camp Manatoc)

Here are the results from Scout Championships September 20, 2015. For even more, and all the split data, see this full set of results.

White Course: 11 controls 2.6 km

N2026008 Pirates - DNF (Did Not Finish)

Yellow Course: 16 controls 3.5 km

1 N2026013 SandS - 54:09
 2 N2026011 Rawwww - 57:47
 3 Kenneth Witalis - 68:59
 4 Gold Fish - 89:12
 5 Karen Stecker - 94:43
 6 The Cripples - 96:36
 7 Sean Devin - 98:08
 8 N2013540 Newbie - 120:00
 9 Bruce Larry - 137:44
 10 N2013548 Rocketeers - 167:24

Navy Seals - DNF
 Grizzly Slash - DNF
 N2013547 Phoenix - DNF
 Greese Lightening - DNF
 N2026002 MR - DNF

Orange Course: 16 controls 3.6 km

1 Steve Johnson - 54:52
 2 Highland Hornets - 84:35
 3 David Plentovich - 97:22
 4 Pizza Men - 134:23
 5 Milk Man - 182:30

Control Pickup as Training Session

By Andreas Johansson, NEOOC Member (cross-posted from http://www.eajohansson.net/)

I volunteered to pick up a few controls after the Python Goat event a few weekend’s ago, and got my assignment for which controls to grab. They happened to be controls on the part of the course I didn’t run, so I took my time in navigating to each one, paying particular attention to the finer details of the map, or micro-orienteering, that I normally would during a race.

Then it hit me! Picking up controls is a great way to do a bit of training on just that – the finer details, honing azimuth readings, and really paying close attention to the terrain around you. After the first control pickup, I got real serious about what I was doing, and took some photos of each control in order to share here the map for each, and what it looked like in real life. Hope you get a bit of knowledge out of it all.

The controls may not be in order here, and they are all based off the master control list either way, and not necessarily in the order for the course (they were all on the 10K Python Goat course).


Here’s a boulder on the map, and I approached from the south. The boulder was located on a mini-spur, but when I got there, I had drifted a bit east, and so had to do a sweep around to find it. In addition, the control was placed very well, low to the ground, and I missed it the first time because my eyes were looking a bit higher in the terrain.

Once I swooped around from east to west, using the water feature as my definite limit, I found it. The lesson learned here was looking lower than I had before, as it was placed right on the downslope side of the spur, and behind a bunch of debris.

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Stream Junction

The stream junction control was pretty easy to pickup, but here I also approached from the south (disregard the legs on the map) and I was able to run in using the southern most stream bed, and navigate right to the control. In the picture, that’s the stream in the top-right hand corner of the photo.

However, the control was placed just around the corner, again a bit lower, so seeing it required extra attention to the area. This type of placement though is pretty easy, considering there are some major features to dial in on like the two stream beds, and they catch you, especially coming from the south.

Depending on the direction of approach for this control, it may have been a different story, and I think for the Python course, runners approached from the west off of a pretty long leg, with additional navigational challenges, which made this one a bit tougher.

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Earth Cliff

The earth cliff was located right on the border of the allowable area to run, so navigating to it wasn’t too hard. I again approached from the south. My initial approach was to navigate in and around the hills / saddle to the south, coming in from the south-west, but I ended up running more directly to the east of the saddle, and right in line with the border line (and found to my surprise a neighborhood to the direct east, about 200m out).

I found the water feature (sort of a dry stream) which was very deep / steep, and followed the edge of that in to the control. I figured based on the placement that it would be located on the back end of the wall, and indeed there it was.

I hopped a few rocks and mudbanks, and got the control unscathed for pickup. In this case the control was placed high, but didn’t matter as the approached was quite hidden from either direction (south, or from the west) and one needed to get right to it.

With a control location like this, I look for the obvious feature like the bank / cliff itself, and try to follow that in. Usually, as was the case here, it’s a matter of finding some good foot placement, but following the water here was not an option (at least not in it…).

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Top of Knoll

I spotted the control here way early, by luck (see photo #1) and got right to it. If the control had been hung differently, I don’t think I would have seen it as early. It’s always a good idea to start scanning for the obvious placements once in the red zone, or even earlier, depending on your style of orienteering. I like to keep my head up as much as I can to spot the orange and white, and have good luck with that generally, as was the case here.

The nice thing about this control, is that it was placed just west of a major feature – the water. So regardless if coming from the east (which was the case) you can run fill steam until the water (assuming you’re okay with a basic direction / azimuth) or follow the terrain downward.

Once I hit the stream, my eyes went scanning and found it. It would have been more difficult had the control been placed a bit farther in, say up the ride to the west…

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I really learned a lot about myself, and about the terrain here. I truly enjoyed being able to take it a bit slower, really get down to the fine details, and concentrate on being spot on. I use my step-count quite a bit, and find that I’m pretty accurate with that in wooded terrain at semi-running pace (~61 lefts per 100m). It really helps, especially making sure I don’t overshoot a control (as in going too far) before scanning and sweeping for the location.

By paying real attention to the terrain details, the compass becomes secondary, and just used for longer legs through multiple areas. But, at running speed, I try to combine the two to make sure I don’t get off course.

Here’s my track for the pickup, as logged with my Garmin 310XT, using QuickRoute to overlay the route on the map. Pretty easy to see where the controls are, but just in case, there’s one with them mapped as well.

So the next time you get a chance, volunteer to pickup a few controls – you might learn something in the process!

North Chagrin November 1 / Classic-O

Join us for a classic cross country event at North Chagrin Reservation.

About the Event

Registration: 12 PM / Noon
Starts: Until 1 PM


  • Course Designer: Stanislav Ratchitskiy
  • Event Directors: Howard Montgomery & Randy Mitchell
  • Registrar: Kevin Peterca
  • Starters and Timers: The Johnson Family


Classic Cross Country style with a choice of skill level.